what the hell Honda? (Rant)

"HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles" (hondasfordsvolvo) 10/11/2016 at 02:02 • Filed to: None

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Yes that’s right the current Civic Si weights OVER 3000lbs. All hope is lost, Honda officially doesn’t care about making light weight simple cars. Never again will we see a 22oolb naturally aspirated fun box with a spartan interior.

Also the new Type R is ugly. Like not EP3 ugly where it’s kinda just odd, and to round, no like full blown TRD Celica ugly. Freaking ricer ass, WRX STI look a like garbage. With 20" wheels...no just no. Who the hell wants to pay for 20" low profile tires? Not the target demographic for the Honda Civic that’s for damn sure.

DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/11/2016 at 02:10

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Does this me my Integra’s value will be going up in the future?

Birddog > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/11/2016 at 02:18

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We’re heading for a second Malaise era. Weight is up in the name of “Safety”. Horsepower is up to carry that weight.

I’m not saying we’ll see 150 hp 5 liter V8s again but something awful is going to happen.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time 10/11/2016 at 02:20

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Yes

Berang > Birddog 10/11/2016 at 02:25

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It’s def not the safety. It’s the accessories and doodads. And the power is just marketing nonsense, because everybody thinks they need a car that can do 0-60 in six seconds, even though that’s sort of insanely unnecessary in real world driving.

A Mirage barely weighs 2000lbs, a Honda fit 2,500. A compact of comparable size in the 80s weighed maybe 50-100lbs. less and had half as much horsepower.

Berang > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/11/2016 at 02:27

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The civic is dead in all but name. If you’re looking for a small, light, Honda, just look to the Fit.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Birddog 10/11/2016 at 02:27

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The Civic is bigger and 300lbs heavier than a 97 Accord. Cars have A and C pillars you can’t see around, but people don’t car because they have Bluetooth and a back up camera, and “smart” cruise control. Alsl the presidential nominees are two or three people you wouldn’t trust to watch your kids for a weekend.

Awful things ARE happening.

duurtlang > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/11/2016 at 02:27

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That is bad. The 1980s econobox (which seats 4 tallish adults comfortably) I bought last week weighs litterally half. Sure safety/comfort/speed aren’t comparable, but the Civic (a Civic!) is literally twice as heavy. That’s absurd.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Berang 10/11/2016 at 02:29

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I know this is why I own one. But the Fit is too tall to really be fun. No matter what you’ll fell like you driving a small van, not a go cart.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Berang 10/11/2016 at 02:32

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And 90% of people do not use the full power their car has, ever. The other nigt I was fallowing a newer Charger R/T on a twisty road, they were going 50 in a 55. Worst part was when a small passing zone did pop up thy also sped up.

Point is even if the car can go 0-60 in 7 seconds the owner is more likely to want to do it 15 seconds with one toe on the gas pedal.

Berang > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/11/2016 at 02:37

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I think low cars are generally dead now. The 90s are long gone.

Berang > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/11/2016 at 02:40

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And people who do usually just crash. I’ll never understand the point of people asking for more power and faster cars, only to get a vehicle they can’t control or are afraid to use anywhere near its potential.

Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/11/2016 at 02:41

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The Cobalt SS had a ricer look that could kick ass...but it actually looked good.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Berang 10/11/2016 at 02:42

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I hope you’re wrong. However the fit is nice, as a responsible adult with a child, I “never” drive in a “reckless” manor. So things like ease of entry, and cargo space matter more, and the Fit is great for both of those.

The funniest thing is my 2010 Fit has less ground clearance than my 91 Civic did, even though it is overall 8 inches taller.

beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/11/2016 at 02:44

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Honda still makes them, you just don’t get them in the USA.

i.e the Honda City and N-one

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) 10/11/2016 at 02:44

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That wing seems tame compared to the new Type R.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard 10/11/2016 at 02:49

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The N-one is everything I want Honda a Honda to be, except it is too tall.

The current City is just a Fit Sedan which I can do without.

TheHondaBro > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/11/2016 at 02:51

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Time and time again, the same complaint comes up. Blame the NHTSA for all the SAFETY essentials, like airbags and thicker a-pillars and blunt front ends.

Also I’d like to point out that engines have become more powerful as a result.

Birddog > Berang 10/11/2016 at 02:54

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Somehow “Ring Times” took the place of reality.

That 400 hp sedan does make it to the next stoplight way quicker than my tired 190 hp truck though.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > TheHondaBro 10/11/2016 at 02:59

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Yeah but I don’t think giant wheel arches and 20" wheels are safety features. Neither is that sad excuse for a “hatchback” that has to be impossible to see out of.

Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/11/2016 at 03:13

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The funniest thing about the Cobalt SS’ wing was that it sat smack dab in the middle of the rearview mirror, so you couldn’t see shit.

beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/11/2016 at 03:48

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Mate, it’s only 400mm taller than my MR2. Regular humans need to be able to sit in it.

PS9 > TheHondaBro 10/11/2016 at 05:07

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1996 Civic:

2016 Civic:

“I’m glad I was able to walk away from that crash without injury, but I wish my car had been lighter.”

-Shit you will never hear a car crash victim say

PS9 > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/11/2016 at 05:28

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Not sure about you, but facing down a collision, I know which Civic I’d rather be inside of.

Probenja > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/11/2016 at 05:57

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“Never again will we see a 22oolb naturally aspirated fun box with a spartan interior.”

No we won’t because cars like that are bashed from reviewers, just look at any Versa or Mirage reviews, they always complain about feeling light and having hard touch plastics.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/11/2016 at 07:24

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Yes that’s right the current Civic Si weights OVER 3000lbs. All hope is lost, Honda officially doesn’t care about making people just won’t buy light weight simple cars. Never again will we see a Honda won’t throw away money making a 22oolb naturally aspirated fun box with a spartan interior that no one will buy .

Voice of the customer, companies make what people want or they go out of business.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/11/2016 at 07:53

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Compared to most modern cars, that’s light.

bhtooefr > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/11/2016 at 07:56

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You want a truly light car?

Here’s one that, the base model is 2018 lbs with a manual, meets safety regulations, is dirt cheap, and is better equipped than a fully loaded small hatch 20 years ago. One trim up has all the convenience features you’d want, and is 2040 lbs with a manual.

The problem is, well, it’s the Mirage.

Nauraushaun > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/11/2016 at 08:02

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Have you seen the NSX? You’re right, but it’s old news. Honda are on the same path as every other Japanese manufacturer. They’re no different. Except they’re shitter and have less money.

interstate366, now In The Industry > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/11/2016 at 08:24

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Officially heavier than a base 5th gen Prelude, which gets derided as being a fat pig.

spanfucker retire bitch > Birddog 10/11/2016 at 08:26

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Uhhhh, what? How often do you see a new generation of a car come out that weighs more than the previous one? I mean, it’s happened, but it’s extremely rare these days. Nearly every new generational platform weighs less than the previous one while being just as, if not more safe.

Your comment makes no sense.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 10/11/2016 at 09:14

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I know you’re right but that doesn’t mean I have to like it.

cletus44 aka Clayton Seams > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/11/2016 at 09:54

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Any fwd car that weighs over 2,200 pounds is a porker. The Focus ST that so many hold dear weighs 2,800 pounds and the RS is an even 3,000.

Textured Soy Protein > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/11/2016 at 11:31

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All cars are heavy now and the production Type-R will probably be a bit more subdued compared to the concept.

fennelbreath > TheHondaBro 10/11/2016 at 12:25

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This. It seems pretty obvious, but apparently it’s not.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/11/2016 at 13:10

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If that’s what you’re looking for I think your best bet will be a Kia Rio. It’s hard to not recommend the Ford Fiesta, but the Rio has the price tag to go with what you’re describing. I know you like things with H’s on the hoods but....they just don’t make that anymore.

RT > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/11/2016 at 13:13

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Cars of today are improved in pretty much every way. The current Corolla is built to same standards as a first gen LS400 for example. We are not moving backwards, rather we are living in the golden age of the car, and we will continue to do so if this keeps up. The latest Civic Si is almost certainly going to be a better ‘car’ than its predecessors due to the evolution of technology.

That being said, I think there’s something fundamental that’s lost in modern cars, which is essential for ‘driving pleasure’ - the direct connection between the steering wheel and the road. You just don’t have that in modern ‘normal’ cars, you have to spend huge sums for a sports car or super car to get you that same sense of connection. Even a GT86 or MX-5 costs a small fortune.

Cars of today are always going to be ‘better’, no questions there. Just not sure if they’ll always be my ‘favourite’.

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/11/2016 at 15:28

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I’m pretty sure you don’t want to own a Honda N-anything in North America.

Kei-cars are exempt from many crash structure regulations and crash tests.

Justino6969 > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/11/2016 at 17:12

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16.5 psi and it still only makes 175/162? That’s.. pretty bad.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/11/2016 at 17:31

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Having seen a N-box in person, it’s tiny and not very tall.

Aaron M - MasoFiST > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/11/2016 at 18:15

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The 2014 Si weighs 3,004 lbs. Car and Driver reports the portliest 2016 coupe is 2896, and that number comes from Honda.

e36Jeff now drives a ZHP > TheHondaBro 10/11/2016 at 18:59

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It’s not just that engines have become more powerful, but the power under the curve has grown significantly as well.

Sam > PS9 10/11/2016 at 19:32

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I was in a t-bone collision in my 2002 Miata. If the driver had hit me more towards the door (I was hit in the nose, directly in front of the door hinge, I had to climb over the door to get out), I would have been dead or gravely injured. If I had been hit more towards the front, I would have spun into a post with the passenger door taking the brunt of the impact, and my passenger would have been dead or gravely injured.

In an ND, a door t-bone at 45mph would probably have injured me, but I would’ve lived.

Sam > Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) 10/11/2016 at 19:34

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Honestly, my only real problem with the SS is the drivers. They’re like WRX people, but turned up like 2 notches with the snapbacks and “fat clouds in your face bruh”.

Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) > Sam 10/11/2016 at 19:39

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The Turbo model is so rare I’ve never seen what the typical owner might look like. However the Supercharged models have owners exactly like you described.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > RT 10/11/2016 at 19:43

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Or if they’ll bring up any more emotion than in 97 Lumina

lone_liberal > TheHondaBro 10/11/2016 at 20:03

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The blunt front ends are thanks to Euro pedestrian safety rules, not NHTSA.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/11/2016 at 20:23

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No Civic SI will ever be as hideous as this blob-ass blob of a fucking blob car with the most useless rear window ever. What the actual fuck is this shit?

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 10/11/2016 at 20:27

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I’m actually glad it didn’t make to the US.

Chasaboo > Berang 10/11/2016 at 20:28

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Pure genius.

djgreenlava > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 10/11/2016 at 20:58

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I raise you a more useless rear window in the Mugen version.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > djgreenlava 10/11/2016 at 21:08

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wtf

Gerry197 > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/11/2016 at 22:15

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They could be considered a “accessory” feature that everyone has.

Cash Rewards > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/11/2016 at 23:10

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Counterpoint: my 2016 civic with NA engine and 6MT and spartan(ish) interior is fun, even though it’s slow.

Zohaibman72 > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/12/2016 at 00:45

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Honda has been doing this for a while. I know I’m late to reply.

The accord used to be in the civics market until it upsized, and the Civic used to be in the Fits market. They just keep upsizing.

The new HR-V is approx the size of the First-Gen CR-V.

They upsize and then add in a new model to replace.

It wont be long till the Civic goes Mid-size, accord Full-size, Fit goes Compact and then theres a new subcompact.

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/12/2016 at 02:46

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Still lighter than my pig of a Focus ST. It weighs just a tiny bit less than that 17-year-old V8 sedan in my avatar. The Focus is ostensibly a compact car...

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Eric @ opposite-lock.com 10/12/2016 at 09:51

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No wonder some many people prefer the Fiesta ST. 500lbs make a big difference.

interstate366, now In The Industry > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/12/2016 at 10:26

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Great quote here about modern Japanese cars at 24:09. And as a bonus, I learned a lot about the R33 GT-R.

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/12/2016 at 15:31

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Technically, the power:weight ratio is better in the FoST, though. The FiST is even more painfully economy car than even the FoST, too. Would I prefer it in pure twisties? Probably. Am I disappointed that I own a FoST when in them? No, it’s better than just about every other car as it stands.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Eric @ opposite-lock.com 10/12/2016 at 18:41

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The focus is also better if you ever have adults ride in your back seat